Must be something in the water. Everyone trippin’ out.
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First after a loooong time! 😀 Thanks guys!
You guys are early today. Thanks guys!
Btw, oshit: what’s your audio/listening setup like?
Pretty basic really since I only use headphones / IEMs. I built my ODAC + O2 from the JDS labs DIY kit set a while back.
I have the following phones:
Audio Technica ATH-M50 – I leave these at work now.
Beyerdynamic DT 880 Pro (600 Ohm) – Current headphones for home
Westone W40 – IEMs for everywhere else.
Could you tell me the difference between 250 ohm and 600 ohm ?
: – )
Thanks for the chapter
Wood textured ghost hands and purple flying balls, wonder if they served some awesome shroom tea ^_^
Thank you for your scanslation. I must say that this impresses me more and more. Last chapter I was ready to call bs on Ryofuji (incidentally, I think that both position could be classified as utilitarian, as the arguments were made on an utilitarian basis), but this chapter he showed that he was just testing them, pulling their leg, and is in fact far more grounded and realistic than he showed himself to be (though I didn’t really agree no placing an irrational motive such as revenge for something that happened hundreds of years ago on the same level as tactical -for a state- or economic -for mercenaries- considerations, both rational motives… it’s true that it exist, thought, and the was the plan was carried out in practice was rational).
Last chapter’s discussion had many problems, but they could be mainly summed up by the girl and old man’s observations (though one must observe that people could gauge someone’s wealth even before the invention of currency… in fact, currency actually makes it possible to hide one’s true wealth better, as Ryofuji himself did, demonstrating to have much deeper pockets tha what the others thought possible): can he pull it off, and why wouldn’t the other states just invade and steal his stuff. First, can Ryofuji really economically subjugate all other nations? Structurally, does China has a sufficiently integrated and “global” economy for this to happen? Isn’t this an age where plagues and droughts are pretty much unpredictable events? On the other hand, isn’t there really anyone in the other states capable of figuring out Ryofuji’s plan of economical subjugation and stop him? And even granting his godly abilities (every administrator would want abundance, but it’s not exactly something that they can get by themselves because they want to -I don’t know of any repeatable, deterministic procedure to get overwhelmingly rich simply beause it might be a desirable condition-), it depends on him: what about after he dies? The second objection is that in general, there is the very real possibility that the other states could simply decide to invade and get a piece of the pie that way (the romans tried to throw money at the barbarian problem, but it didn’t exactly work out).
In general, this seems to be a very “modern” approach, that could *maybe* work today given a global economy and the removal of variables such as pandemics and droughts (though this meddling would be more likely to “cause” a war, in my opinion), but I can’t remember any historical precedent for such an “economical unification”, certainly not in that period. Certainly such economic maneuvers are not merely alternatives to warfare, but could very well be causes of warfare -states fighting over resources, etc.-. For Sei’s plan, I can think of historical precedents -lots of ancient and even modern states being unified and territories pacified in that way-. From my experience, one example would be the unification of italy, when the Kingdom of Piedmont and Garibaldi conquered all other states on the peninsula -a perfectly reasonable appoach even in the late 1800-, or even Japan, or the Roman Republic (the one before Caesar). Succesful empires were able to pacify their internal borders and allow civilizations to flourish: the Persian Empire, the Roman’s Pax Romana, the Mongol’s control over the Silk Road -the phrase goes “a comely virgin balancing a pitcher of gold on her head could walk the length of the Silk Road without fear of molestation”, the so called Pax Mongolica-, the various other Chinese Empires for which Qin would lay the basis to (in the Romance of the Three Kingdoms they are presented as a necessary condition for peace, the fall of which is a harbringer of turmoil and chaos).
In this context, I must say that I found the author usage of the modern (20th century) term “sociopath” strange: madman or tyrant would be more apt, but it must be noted that, as prof. Donald Kagan remarked when talking about the battle of Marathon, until very recent times (arguably, at least to some extent, until the last century) being strong, killing your enemies and conquering new territories were considered admirable traits and worthy goals in and of themselves, therefore conquering new territories and unifying China could and would have been considered an end goal in and of itself (this leaves off fringe groups such as mohists, who were appreciated for their talents in warfare, but whose “stoic” and rigid life philosophy, and lack of use after the unification made marginal… from the Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy, “A number of factors can be cited to explain Mohism’s decline and disappearance… the major factor is probably that as a social and philosophical movement, Mohism gradually collapsed into irrelevance…their trademark opposition to warfare had been rendered effectively redundant by unification…What remained as distinctively Mohist was a package of harsh, unappealing economic and cultural views, such as their obsession with parsimony and their rejection of music and ritual. Compared with the classical learning and rituals of the Confucians, the speculative metaphysics of Yin-Yang thinkers, and the romantic nature mysticism and literary sophistication of the Daoists, Mohism offered little to attract adherents, especially politically powerful ones.”: in a sense, in the same position as the ethical vegetarianism of pythagoreans).
I always felt like the argument Ryofui presented in the previous chapter, if continued, would always have had to arrive at the conclusion that some show of force was still necessary.
Sadly, we’ll never know if Ryofui’s policy of appeasement would have worked practically in a fictionalised China but most real world examples point to probably not. e.g. Danegeld, Roman pay-offs to the Germanic tribes, Chamberlains attempted appeasement policy with regards to Hitler’s Germany and so on.
In any case, it’s been rather entertaining following discussion of these chapters on threads like on batoto etc. and I think one thing we can all at least agree on is that in Ryofui, Hara has created a damn fine character.
Really? Firstly someone read the post ( the author lost me after the second sentence). Secondly, Ryofui’s plan is feasible. Like Switzerland during WWII – the banking capital of Europe. Even the art of war states you should avoid armed conflict at all cost and only keep it as last resort. And taken the history of the first emperor, well he stopped the war but rulled pretty much like Stalin or any other modern day dictator. Money is power. Why did state of Qi withdrew from coalition army? They were offered money. Todays’ sanctions – all about money.
Matrice’s post comes down to 2 main points:
1 – Ryofui’s plan requires the following to have even a shot at working:
– An economy that is interdependent enough to allow his plan to work.
– Enough effective deterrent to stop other states from invading and taking the wealth. (i.e. big enough standing military force so that accepting the payout is preferable to going to war.)
2 – Sei’s portrayal as being “mad” by Ryofui is strange given the context of the story (Ancient China).
– Although it could be argued that given the scope of Sei’s vision, this is a reasonable claim.
Both of us are agreeing with you that while yes, Ryofui’s plan is feasible, it requires many other factors which are not talked about in the manga explicitly due to reasons of brevity.
Thank you for your work 😉
Finally we have our spam. Glorious like hell. Oh and I really wonder what the the king will say his last answer was destroying borders.
and what all this got to do with the manga?
ryofui was jesus as a side job
Deleted the spam.
Thanks a lot!
I was waiting for this 🙂
thx guys !
Thank you Turnipfarmers! Awesome job as always ^_^
426 raw from tieba.baidu Online ^
Spam bot don’t click or go to that blog.
That chapter was too epic for me
what’s up with all the prolong philosophy discussion and flashback crap? feel like the author is starting to drag it out like naturo, bleach, one piece…
Kingdom has always been known for fast pace tactics and blood boiling battles, even the politics battles between the king and Ryofui were always so heated and interesting.
The last 2-3 chapters are a real disappointment.
Both chapters 424 and 425 were awesome!!!….I read em both in a go so it added to the impact it had….I really love this manga both the battles in the King’s court and on the Battlefield are amazing….Thanks Turnip, Ouki and Kingudamu for scanalating this awesome manga….really appreciate all your hard work…awesome release once again!!! 🙂
does anyone know what happened to mangabird i like to look at the raws there
awesome guys, thank you very much!!!!
426 quick scan translation here: http://mangahead.com/Manga-English-Scan/Kingdom/Kingdom-426-English-Scan
And does that line on the title page say there’s going to be a break til 4/17? Bummer =(
thanks for the chapter
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